Andy Brown's Exploring Emotional Overdraft

Heather Beach on Perfectionism, Boundaries and Redefining Success - "I really cared about being disliked"

Andy Brown Season 1 Episode 10

Show Notes: Exploring Emotional Overdraft with Heather Beach

"I had this view before I understood properly that perfectionists were all neat and tidy, they were procrastinators, and actually it's not that at all. Self-oriented perfectionism is having incredibly high standards for yourself, and it's being really uncomfortable when you make a mistake."

"I'm a single mum, the income comes down to me"

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On this episode of Exploring Emotional Overdraft, Andy chats to Heather Beach as she shares her personal experience and insights on managing emotional overdraft, work-life balance, and the challenges of having conversations about wellbeing in the workplace. The conversation delves into the importance of active listening, self-awareness, and boundary-setting in managing emotional overdraft. It also explores the impact of societal and technological changes on well-being and business success. Heather shares insights on self-discovery, redefining success, and the value of deliberate planning in achieving a sustainable lifestyle.

Episode Highlights

  • Guest Introduction
    • Heather Beach: Author and business owner.
    • Overview of Heather’s business, Healthy Work Company, focusing on organizational wellbeing strategies and training.
  • Understanding Emotional Overdraft
    • Heather shares her personal experiences with emotional overdraft.
    • The concept of emotional overdraft as subsidizing business success at the cost of personal wellbeing.
    • Key drivers of emotional overdraft, such as over-servicing and empathy over-delivered.
  • Heather’s Business Approach
    • Tailoring wellbeing strategies to organizational culture.
    • Emphasis on stress risk assessments and systemic stress in organizations.
    • Training managers on having effective wellbeing conversations with employees.
    • The impact of organizational culture on individual stress levels.
  • Personal Insights and Experiences
    • Heather's struggle with managing friendships and professional relationships.
    • The significance of being self-aware and understanding personal drivers.
    • The difference between obsessive passion and harmonious passion in work.
  • Dealing with Emotional Overdraft
    • Importance of boundaries in professional and personal life.
    • Recognizing and addressing perfectionism and the need for external validation.
    • Tips for managers to support their teams’ wellbeing without crossing boundaries.
  • Practical Advice for Listeners
    • Heather’s approach to simplifying life and business.
    • The concept of work-life boundaries rather than work-life balance.
    • Encouragement to be deliberate about relationships and activities that recharge rather than deplete energy.
  • Final Thoughts
    • The need for self-awareness in managing emotional overdraft.
    • The ongoing journey of understanding and managing personal wellbeing.

Key Takeaways

  1. Self-Awareness is Crucial: Understanding personal triggers and drivers helps in managing emotional overdraft effectively.
  2. Boundaries Matter: Establishing clear boundaries between work and personal life is essential for maintaining wellbeing.
  3. Deliberate Choices: Be intentional about the relationships and activities you invest in, focusing on those that recharge you.
  4. Perfectionism: Recognize and address perfectionism and the need for external validation to reduce emotional overdraft.
  5. Organizational Support: Employers and managers should create supportive environments that address systemic stress and promote wellbeing.

Resources Mentioned

  • Heather Beach’s book: I'm a Boss, Not a Shrink
  • Healthy Work Company website:

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